You tell me!

What the heck is going on in the "Willapa River" (Pacific Co.)? Can anyone please explain the reasoning why the WDFW has restricted the fishing from any floating device from Nov. 1-Mar.31 from bridge on Willsps Rd. (Camp One Bridge) to Fork Creek"? Its been closed for many years to fishing from a boat, but I have never heard the reason for doing so! The rules say that this is the only time that this restriction applies. Why?

Where is their (WDFW) logic? You can fish from the banks in that same location during that same period. You can float your boat or tube down that same location because it is "navigable waters". So why not allow a guy to fish from his float tube or drift boat?

If it is to protect "wild fish" when they are spawning, then why not close it completely? Why not apply the same "restrictions" to all rivers if this is the reason?


All this land is private, so was this rule just made to give a few special land owners some special fishing opportunity on our public waters?

This time frame is really the only time that a person has enough water to make a float down river. It's also the time when all the fishing for salmon and steelhead occurs! I am at a total lost as to why this section of water has been closed to fishing from any floating device! Do any of you "really know" why it is closed to fishing from any floating device?


Cowlitzfisherman

cOWLITZ,

I'll tell you what I know. Most of my info. comes from a friend of mine (some years older than me) who fished it back in the day when you could use boats decades ago. I asked the same question years ago and this is what he told me:

Apparently, boat traffic was considerable and since the willapa is not what you would call a large river by any means, many of the locals were getting fed up with the traffic. This was when driftboats were just coming into fashion and fishers weren't used to them in large numbers. The locals then went to the then department of game and struck a deal whereby the landowners would not post their land to tresspassing IF the dept. of game would adopt a boat restriction during the winter season.

The rest is history. Now, we have a formerly great river that has a majority of it's land posted and still no use of boats.

I have two different emotions here. First, I don't mind the boat restriction at all because I hate boats on small rivers. On the other hand, I'm pissed off at the locals who wasted no time posting their land once the restriction was in place. I have a few friends that live out there and I have seen first hand the greed and lack of trust the locals have in guys who simply want to respect the land and fish. On the occassions I have approached property owners, I have been rejected 3 to 1 over the years. Sad deal.....it used to be one of my favorite rivers.

Eric

Thanks for your quick reply!

What you just told us sounds just like what I and others have suspicion. This kind of sounds like the "deal" that a landowner did on the Cowlitz when he sold a fishing easement to WDFW and then some years later the land owner locked everyone out except for a few of his "good old buddies".

If this is really true of what has happen on the Willapa, fishermen should be outraged! If they (the land owners) are now being allowed to post the land that was agreed to be left open, then things need to change and change fast. I know that the Willapa is a smaller river, but there are lots of them "smaller rivers" out there that guys are now floating on in tubes/rafts. I think that the tube/rafts are the thing of the future for fishing on small rivers that are continually being cut off to the public by a few greedy land owners, who only want to allow their buddies access to fish on.

Let's not forget, the rivers in our state are public, and the public must not allow private groups of land owners to block off every way of access to them. Crossing over a land owner's property is one thing, but preventing the public access on the water to harvest "state" hatchery fish is a whole different story (yes, the Willapa has state hatcheries on it). If fishermen do not turn this kind of fish management (and special deals) around then they probably deserve what they get!

Fishermen should be outraged if this is true. If it is true, I can thing of no better place or way then this forum to begin reversing this act.

What are the members on this board willing to do to keep your waterways open to fishing? Let's hear what you are willing to do fishermen... If anything at all!



Cowlitzfisherman

The rivers should be for everyone, not just the lucky few with money to buy up its banks. The locals got tired of seeing boats go down, tuff. Maybe they will shut down Stevens Pass for me so I can leave my house on a Sunday and not have to deal with all the backed up traffic on Highway 2 from the skiers which I am personally sick of seeing. Of course that last sentence was just a rant but if you do not want to see people on a river in which you have bought property then you better start packing and move because the rivers are for everyone.

Does anyone else know of any other river like the Willapa which has such a ludicrous fishing rule applied to it, if so what river is it?

It's hard to believe that WDFW would only make such a rule for just a "one single river".

It will be even harder to believe that they will be able to justify keeping such a rule in this day and age!


Cowlitzfisherman

the Green River in King Co. has a temporary boating restriction similar to the Willipa starting on Nov. 1st each year...it makes sense to me on such a small river, and there's plenty of bank access anyway, so no boat is really needed. also, keep in mind that you cannot fish only while "in" the boat. it is perfectly legal to float the river, you just have to get out to fish.

i didn't say it makes sense to keep people off the water, i said it makes sense to me since the green is such a small river (anywhere from the dam to tidewater you can easily cast from the bank to the other side). you do not need a boat to fish this river. there is tons of public bank access and i also have access across private land (and i am not the only one with permission to do this).


why do i think that the regs on the green are similar to the Willipa?...

from the regs for the green...
"Fishing from any floating device prohibited November 1 - February 28" (ending March 15 on the upper river)

from the regs for the willipa...
"Fishing from any floating device prohibited November 1 - March 31"

i would call that similar.


i will remind everyone again...you can still float the river if you want, you just have to get out to fish.

OK Metalhead Mojo

Why then does it make sense for any floating-fishing closer on either the Green or the Willapa?

What is its purpose other then limiting public access to public waterways?


Cowlitzfisherman

i dont know what the underlying reason for the history behind that rule is, ive got a good idea why but it doesn't matter much to me...i don't feel like i am being denied access because of it. you can still float the river to get to your fav spots, it's not a big issue to me.

C.F. We have used the DB for transportation on some puget sound rivers for years.The river you speak of have any bars you can wade and fish ?

CF, I don't understand the logic of your protest. Regulations similar to the one you disagree with have been in effect on small Puget Sound rivers for years. If the river is navigable, you can float hole to hole, and still have a considerable advantage over the bank angler who has to drive and walk into the holes. Where's the discrimination there? Friends of mine floated the Cedar River for years this way, and the only complaints I heard from them were about the lawbreakers they encountered who were fishing from a boat. You're well aware of the conflicts, often heated, between boaters and bankies on larger rivers. Imagine the level of river rage that would occur if you put a much greater number of driftboats, pontoon boats, and Seylor plastic rafts on a river where most of the holes are the size of a bathtub, and you can touch the opposite bank with the tip of your noodle rod. One thing you're unlikely to see, on these "transportation only" rivers and creeks, is fishing guides floating with clients. Personally, I see the regulation as an attempt by WDFW to limit conflict among user groups, and to restrict the pressure on smaller rivers' fish runs. Got a better idea?

My ignorance will show with this question but if you have to get out to fish are you not trespassing the moment you touch dry land?

Jim

No!

You are allowed public access to any land below the "normal high water line" on a river bank

Cowlitzfisherman

Try explaining the high water mark stuff to an irate land owner or lawman while your getting your trespass ticket.
You better have a copy of the R.C.W. with you. although I doubt it would help much.You can probably count on an expensive day in court ,plus a ruined days fishing,even if you do win.

Good post CF all the information is there, but again make sure you have not trespassed getting to were you are when aproached. I first heard about this from a guy when I was camping at the Kalama Campground. They clam that it is all private and get away with charging a daily fishing fee. Can this be true
they on that snagers hole. Probably as illigal as the snagers fishing it.

I would be the first to admit that my memory is, frankly, terrible!

Was there a board member who tried to cite that law (link in CFM's post) in a court case and the judge ruled that the property owner's property extended to the middle of the river?

In addition, is there a similar law re salt-water beaches? Below some line (mean low tide?) it was legal to be there w/out trespassing.

Any clarification greatly appreciated

Sincerely,
Roger

CFM,

Fishing must really be bad. You keep having one wild hair after another this season. As other posters mentioned, this regulation is not unique; several smaller Puget Sound rivers have the same regulation. Frankly, I'm not sure why you have such a problem with it. Fishing from a boat on small streams would promote conflict between boat and bank anglers, given that it already happens on a lot of medium sized and large rivers. Also, fishing from a boat would have you right on top of the fish you're after in many cases. Lastly, have you noticed the absence of launching sites there? But you know me. I just carry in my canoe or rubber ducky and put in wherever and get out to wade and fish the better looking spots. Wanna' go in the canoe sometime?

Sincerely,

Salmo g.